OFC, most people would rather just follow the herd, but that isnt reasonable, logical, nor wise. Hm. Weve beaten this dead horse enough. Since the pin must have considerable energy to fire the primer charge, and then must expend that energy quickly through a sudden stop, it really doesnt matter, because the available object to provide the sudden deceleration needed to drive the pin into the round is almost certainly going to be the ground, and the round must be in line with the inertia, which, if provided by gravity instead of the firearm itself, must be downwards. I could give you many other identical examples of Glocks going off while the owner wore them or handled them. I am sure you will tell us that since you are a stable genius it will never happen to you. This subject is DOA just like the OP. My God, WTF is wrong with people who bash others for simply doing what they choose to do? So you are in reality arguing that if someone makes a *negligent mistake*, the Glock is more likely to discharge than another firearm. 4 under extreme stress you may short stroke it. And I do not carry them ever. Glock claims that this translates into longer pistol longevity as well as better accuracy overall. In my own case I carry a gun because ITS MY GODDAMN RIGHT and being prepared for the defense of my life is a purely secondary concern. What you are overlooking is the odds. How often do you train your driving abilities? Stop buying Glocks. Boy, that must be realllll nice. You rotate the cylinder halfway between the nipples and lower the hammer on the carry notch. My bedside gun is always a DA revolver. But, it has a decocker, so I can put a round in the chamber, decock the striker, and walk around with a much better feeling about it all. OK, this isnt enough for you? You always have time to do that. Whatever stage you carry your weapon at be consistent. Its your right to self defense. Often, its holstering the gun into a holster that compromised by clothing. I find myself walking around with my hips thrust foward, flinching away from the gun. And I dont want to have to think about anything. Safe and ready when I am. The safety either keeps the trigger from being pulled or blocks the cartridge from being struck by the firing pin so it cant go off. I usually carry chambered with a revolver or my .25 but the trigger on my new Glock 19 is so easy I am not yet comfortable carrying chambered because there is no manual safety. BTW.. Glocks have a 5.5lbs trigger pull so I doubt it will discharge from your love handle rubbing on it. This makes it about five ounces lighter than another popular 9mm Luger gun, the Glock 19. Well your odds of dying of heart disease is about a thousand times more likely than dying from a criminal attack, so, maybe something to think about. I put into the chamber a primed case w/o powder or bullet. Ive always been a SA semi, or when Rugeting for fun, their SA revolvers, like Single 6 w/Wmr cyl. With only six on tap anyway, whats one less? I always wanted to see in a western someone who knew he was about to get into a gunfight slip that 6th round into his Colt SAA. First a 5906, then a PPK/S for 20 years. It will catch on and you will be a rock star! It has a safety, but I dont really care about that. I assume it had something to do with its mechanics. Barrel: 4.5. Many people think walking around with a loaded gun is dangerous, irresponsible, and paranoid. they took it so far, they had Glock make a special model Glock for them with a slightly stouter trigger spring. Literally has nothing to do with firearm safety. To each their own, and god speed, The first gunm I packed was a SA .22 with a half cock safety and I loaded all the holes, then I went DA but cocked it most of the time.so I got in a habit of cocking the hammers Then I went to auto pistols and just never did trust that hammer sticking up so I carry them with one in the chamber on half cock. Ever have your computer go slow for a second, but then it opens two(or more) of whatever you clicked on? Trigger Safety. silly? I dont understand why anyone who carries a modern firearm is afraid to carry a round in the chamber??? But in my house, in the middle of the night, what do I care about 50 yard accuracy or the ability to knock over a steel plate or knock a bowling pin off a table? Seems more in line with your abilities. Glock is known for its proprietary barrel design which is said to provide a better seal between the bullet and barrel, allowing less propellant gas leakage and less bullet deformation. The practice of empty chamber carry continued with the introduction of magazine-fed, semi-automatic pistols. Dani: In the case of an inertial firing pin, nothing but a physical block on the firing pin itself will have the slightest effect. You've only seen one page. One other one was very tragic. Smh. Glock firearms Instructor. OFC, there are those that only want to own one gun. If you carry a modern pistol with an exposed trigger, you are own your own. Ive been carrying mine daily for five years and will continue to carry it as long as I can. If you are a dumb person who cannot immediately see why it is dumb, go to Youtube and watch dumb people like you dying in a hail of bullets while they struggle with the slides on their unchambered guns. I also like the guy getting thrown across the ally when he gets hit with both barrels of the shotgun through those 3/4 boards, but even better is when the same happens from a .45 Colt round. An officer was chasing a man down a stairwell with his pistol drawn and the man was shot, but apparently, he was not actually a criminal. My Taurus Millenium G2, basically a glock with a safety, same thing, actions are needed to make it fire. Use whatever gun you want. Daughter carries the 9. You can lift and close the bolt to cock the striker quicker than doing all four motions. These are: 1. Safety rule number 1 a gun is always loaded. A 1911 or single-action pistol in Condition 1 is comparable to a striker-fired, safe-action pistol, like a Glock, which is always in a semi-cocked condition when a round is in the chamber anyway. Hell, Colt still makes the Single Action Army. On Amazon, they run about $35 just sans the NRA stamped door. . As one gun writer said years ago, its amazing someone was not smart enough to hire a good gun savvy lawyer and sue Glock out of existence with all the accidents this pistol has caused. Why would you do that more in a Glock than in *any other firearm*? Since I do not carry(Los Angeles County), my handguns are ready very quickly. But how often are you a klutz when handling or holstering your firearm? . But as Sam has pointed out, one needs to practice and I have. Thats why the old timers carried them on an empty chamber. So I traded it. My Ruger LCP is carried with one chambered, and in a pocket holster that covers the trigger. There are no Glock negligent discharges *without* the word *negligent* in the incident description. The first Glock safety that you will interact with is the trigger safety, which takes the form of a spring-loaded lever located in the center of the trigger. Odds of the shooter getting 4 shots off would be pretty low. The Israelis do it because they had to come up with a training procedure that worked for all their soldiers, including those that dont know which is the end that goes bang. Sound off in the comments. Carrying this way isn't for everybody though. If my chamber is empty, I obviously increase the chances that my gun wont be useful when needed, but I also reduce the chance of a ND caused by a minor in my care. I carry one in the chamber of my ruger P89 with 17 rounds in the magazine. If youre going to do something like defend yourself with a firearm. When all else fails eat a mucho big bowl of butter beans and a hand full of BBs that should put a whole new meaning to Kiss my a$$. In that book, they suggest that the proper way to carry a semi . Excuse me, but the inventor of the Linebaugh cartridges and custom gunsmith in Powell Wyoming is JOHN Linebaugh. Momentum and all. The 223/5.56 is the most common centerfire rifle cartridge in the US. YouTube it. Glocks are for professional that carry OWB at 3 o'clock where it is possible to see All the way around the holster While holstering the gun. Revolvers with their heavy double action trigger pulls are perfectly safe to carry with a round in the . Apply the 21 foot rule with the holy glock with a round chambered (Im pretty sure that as I was at the Vatican admiring Michelangelos ceiling, it was definitely a glock God was passing to Adam in the famous reclining scene), I bet you you will still lose just as badly. I know, its a big word, all scary long and has lots of syllables, but try it out. No, but it requires that everything go right when theres a higher chance of something going wrong. I thought I counted 17 in the battle scene in Open Range. However, with an unchambered semi-auto, that may be a more credible concern. They will not fire unless someone puts their finger on the trigger and squeezes. I had the same concerns when I first started to carry my Glock. 4) In such a rush and excitement even in a holster such as the case in Florida the police officer shot himself and the wall in a school and was clearly not in fear or stressed, so in all counts safety and training cause in the heat of the moment you may grab fast and shoot yourself. Descriptions: Glocks are safe to carry with a loaded chamber as long as they are carried in a decent holster that completely covers the trigger. and so as to keep continuity in their mindset they keep that same gun on the headboard at night with no round in the chamber so that there wont be any confusion I would consider the weapon fully loaded at this point. If dropped, the hammer could contact the primer and therefore, fire. I made a folder called TTAG comments, and put all pages Ive commented on in there. The Glock 19 pistol was initially produced in 1988. Yes Sir I do and the ones scattered in the house also. Youd figure Colt would have gotten with the program by now and made the SAA with a transfer bar. There are also the safety concerns . Jordan has taught marksmanship, woodsmanship, and self-defense classes. Anything is possible, which is why the smart move is to play to the best probabilities. Carrying with an empty chamber was John Waynes great advice, applicable to old, single action revolvers. The IDF has quit carrying with a round chambered. Cycling against objects using your sight is slow and not easily done. Thats intentional. Didnt check that the gun was clear. Theres a problem with absolutism: youre proven wrong too easily. It should stay the way it is. If you cant respect the power and danger of an automobile why would you think you could be trusted with a firearm at all let alone one without a safety? Unfortunately, the safety is on the wrong side of the slide for me so I dont use it. Keep your finger off of it and your should be good to go. And, it actually impeded officers ability to hit a target. Some people were never meant to have a handgun I suppose. Just not for me. Consider this, if everyone carried a weapon in condition 3, how many mass shootings would there be? When she holstered her Glock .40 it went off and the bullet went down her leg utterly destroying it. Note the flat(ish) hammer. Either you will practice with chambered, or chamber empty. Glocks response was to simply make a pistol that was safe without a safety. All the out of battery safeties do is, in one way or another, block the hammer from providing that energy to the pin until the gun is fully locked into battery. As in mentally deranged. Do u know what the 21 foot rule is? The are a couple videos out there showing issues with holsters (kydex included) where bending or twisting caused a discharge. Jul 18, 2010. so i compensate for that with situational awareness and trying not to put myself in situations or places where that will happen as for being out in public goes if somebody gets the drop on me with a knife or firearm at super close range i figure that im only going to be 50/50 on that anyway Obviously carrying concealed greatly reduces the odds of your gun being taken, but that doesnt mean that precautions arent in order. Jordan enjoys giving his time and resources to help others and has spent 15 years volunteering in a boy's mentoring program He is and will always be an American Patriot. You carry your way and Ill carry mine. There is also one of an off duty cop pulling up his pants and firing his clip draw equipped pistol. When carrying the gun in a holster, the grip safety will keep the gun from discharging, even if the . It is also the choice of many Canadian cops services. Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, troubleshooting, accessories, classifieds, and more! I would like to carry at the ready, but doing so really gives me the heebie-jeebies. Do other people carry Glocks in IWB holsters with chambered rounds? Glock came up with this and called it the 'Glock Safe Action Trigger'. See? ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. I could be ELI2016 if I wanted to. Amen! Ask the famous Black Athlete Plaxico Burress that did that in a New York restaurant a number of years ago. link to What is a Pistol Caliber Carbine. The LC9s can not be fired in any other way accidently unless the trigger is deliberately pulled. If you cant train yourself to keep your finger off the trigger until you have made the decision to shoot any gun is dangerous in your hands. The Gen 5 Glock pistol is the latest generation in the Glock household. Older single action revolvers or those still manufactured without a hammer block/transfer bar are theoretically more prone to discharge back in the day when you ride a horse as the drop from that position could allow the pistol to rotate muzzle up when it lands. A safety is much easier to manipulate than a slide though. A few weeks went by & I realized I was safe. So whats up? uncommon_sense: I would hope that, by now, you know whether or not the handgun you actually OWN has a firing pin safety. A GLOCK is a striker fired pistol with about a 5.5-pound OEM trigger pull that has incorporated into the trigger--in the form of a lever--and when it is engaged blocks the trigger from moving rearward. Unchambered carry is a bad idea because: Conceal. Even though they dont have safety, Glocks are not prone to negligent discharge and are completely safe to carry when done properly. To chamber or not to chamber? So Move. As a top performer in reliability and safety tests, it quickly entered into the Austrian military and police service. So in 2019, are you telling a revolver carrier to carry only 4 bullets instead of five?? Clinging to God and guns. Glocks can be dangerous When they tumble and fall and the natural instinct is to catch. The list of pistols that have a drop safety to prevent the gun from going off unintentionally when impacted is quite long you need to look no further than any of the handguns allowed in the . If the trigger safety is not depressed, the trigger will not move rearwards and allow the pistol to fire. *, Keep your damn finger out of the trigger guard until your sights are on a target you intend to shoot and you should be training to do that automatically *even* while under stress. If the trigger safety is not . Glocks, Sig Sauer, Smith and Wesson, Barretta, and many other makes are safe to carry chambered, They have . 2. Glock 23 Handgun. So when does your Glock actually have a likely chance of discharging in those two most common klutz behaviors while handling a firearm? In order to fire, the pin needs to be hit hard enough to continue forward, past the point of contact with the hammer, and then into the primer. A little background: When Israel was founded, "drop safe" firearms were not as common as today and the fledgling state had a mixed bag . I submit never. Dani: Thank you very much. Therefore, its unsafe(ish) to carry or store with one in the chamber. I think they heard how bad its getting over here and want to provide a better place to be, so that TTAG will be left with nothing but trolls and snowflakes. https://patents.google.com/patent/US5724759A/en. All previous exp., was with 1911s my Uncle names Sam loaded me, and the pipe was always warm n cuddly. Never mind the others. It could easily tuck into a nightstand safe or tossed into a range bag. None of those things make any difference at all. Appendix carry, when performed with the right holster and a trained hand, is perfectly safe, and that includes your Glock 19 handgun. But in any case, the inertia must lie directly in line with the round, and then the round must stop suddenly, like when the muzzle hits the ground. @ mark s: +1 here. Mad about covers it. Of course an ND is user error, but why is the gun designed to make that error likely? Youll probably die trying to get your semi-auto back into battery after attempting a contact shot anyway. MOLON LABE. THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY AND ONLY ONE WAY TO CARRY A GLOCK SAFELY AND THAT IS WITH AN EMPTY CHAMBER PERIOD AND THERE CAN BE ZERO ARGUMENT ABOUT THAT IF YOU ARE STILL IN CONTROL OF YOUR MENTAL FACULTIES AND NOT LIVING IN A NARCISSISTIC FANTASY WORLD OF GLOCK UTOPIA. But, on the bright side, ammoland just revamped their comment section so comments now dont take days/never to show up. There are lots of better choices out there than the glock. All I get is replies that they are working on it. I once had a grim laugh when one Jethro Bodine (after emerging from his out house) told me he bought a Glock because he could not stand the worry of carrying his 1911 cocked and locked. JavaScript is disabled. I have pocket carried for years, mostly using a clip such as a clip draw on my SIG 938, hammer down, safety on, round chambered. Didnt say I didnt know how, just not much use for one Bad guy dies. If you don't just pick ONE, then IMO you are always going to wonder if you're chambered or no. No kids at home anymore so no worry there. Next, there was some discussion about GLOCKs. It takes a dedicated squeeze of the finger. Glock likewise provides a slimline design, which integrates features from the Gen 3 and Gen 5 Glock guns. I have no problem carrying chambered but around the house or at the park I do not. The M&P Shield is a popular and commonplace pistol for concealed carry. We can put a bullet thru the eye of a bunny sitting still but its hard to get a head shot when its running, us being the bunny. I once owned 12 of them. As a matter of fact in an extreme emergency you could carry the HK with no holster and in your pocket or even waist band but if you did the same thing with a Glock you would quickly blow your balls off in short order. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'guntradition_com-leader-1','ezslot_8',113,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-guntradition_com-leader-1-0');I do know one engineer who figured out that if it was dropped from 221 feet and it lands on the right angle squarely on its barrel, it could possibly go off, but the bullet would immediately strike the ground and not do much after that. You do what you gotta do or are allowed to do. As I mentioned elsewhere here, the trigger pull and safety mechanism are irrelevant to the *proximate* cause of any Glock discharge Im aware of. Then I chambered a round. The pistol was designed to be carried with a round in the chamber with the safety on or off as your choice. Heres a news flash, ever since Adam and Eve ate the serpents apple were all fallible. My Glock 23 is fully loaded, and no problems at all, even with the 3.5 connector in it that lightens the trigger pull a bit. All terrific replies. In the case of a fast draw in a conflict, you dont have time to check, but you still have time to keep your finger out of the trigger guard. Is it safe to carry a round in the chamber? Theyre both safe and useful within their own parameters, and people are free to choose the one they prefer.
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